Sunday, January 25, 2009

Quoting Myself

Various people have often told me that they know god exists because they feel ‘him’. On the contemplation of sin, the same people have told me that no one should trust their desires.

Susie

10 comments:

Billy said...

So, how do you rationally decide between the two? Oh, that's right, they dont

Susie Q said...

LOL...Rationality? Decisions? There's a book for that, you know. Actually, there quite a few of them.

Lee said...

Hi Susie,

I think there is a bit of a contradiction in the theist logic... funny that :-)

I often 'feel' hungry... is that also God? Or maybe it is my body telling me I need more food...


Lee

Philip said...

I swear the answer is simply a lack of a good cup of Tea!

I know exactly what you mean, its like quoting the bible - apparently proper Christians can quote freely from it but if you hurl a few passages from Deuteronomy or something equally despicable you are accused of not using the correct context in which the passage was intended!

Religion is full of the most amazing double standards which the religious can play with all they like rather than come to terms with the fact they could be wrong about something.

They think god exists because they "feel" him? I wonder if that's "feeling" god in the biblical sense which is somewhat akin to "knowing"?

:)

Mark_W said...

Yes indeedy...

One of my favourites is the bible's obsession with family trees and interminable lists of 'begattings', and yet Paul implores people in 1 Timothy 1:4 "nor to devote themselves to myths and endless genealogies."

As Billy pointed out somewhere, it sounds remarkably like Paul had realised early doors that any amount of cherry picking was going to be necessary...

Mark_W

Mark_W said...

Suzy,

Totally irrelevant to this topic, but nevertheles... :-)

Having finally got round to reading your profile, I have started to read Anna Akhmatova, and I think you’re totally right – she’s great. I especially liked, considering various things about cities I’ve been posting recently (and despite the fact that my own experiences are obviously nothing as compared to hers) her comment, on returning to Leningrad towards the end of the war, concerning the “terrible ghost that pretended to be my city”. That rang all sorts of bells, and I love her poem “In Human Closeness There...”, particularly the first and last two lines:

In human closeness there is a secret edge

And

Now you know why beneath your hand
You do not feel the beating of my heart.


Mark_W

Susie Q said...

Mark_W

Mmm, Anna Akhmatova...I am so excited that someone else is reading her works! I rarely find anyone who has ever heard of her and then I don't believe anyone I personally known has gone out and sought her out on my suggestion. I'm soooooooo thrilled! She is feisty huh? Feisty with just the right verses, never over doing it but gently leading the reader to an magnificent and real eeriness conclusion. The woman in her speaks directly to my femininity and perhaps, many women. Her poems also have this undertone of sexuality that I am in love with. The absolute heroism of her just merely going through life...the loss of her son and quite a lot of lovers ;), she still kept very delicate in her words. I can picture her making tea after she has passive-aggressively winds her plan for an unfaithful lover (or something) and him noisy and frantic in the background at its unveiling and her smiling to herself all calm and cold.

I may sound a bit of a loon in my description but damn, she is the woman's woman. Anywho...There are 3 poems that are quite magnificent and I am not sure which book you have. What ever the case, these have been my favorite translations so far. I will post them on my actual blog and hope that you will take a gander.

Thanks Mark, I believe this is the third blog you have inspired!

Susie Q said...

And yes, human closeness is rather good, I will have to read it again! Woo hoo.

Mark_W said...

I will post them on my actual blog and hope that you will take a gander.

Hooray, and absolutely! :-)

I'm still a beginner when it comes to AA, but I think

never over doing it but gently leading the reader to an magnificent and real eeriness conclusion.

and the calmness combined with the noisy/frantic undercurrent is absolutely right - she's very good at telling just enough to suggest more, and, as it were, stretching the band without snapping it.

Woo hoo, indeed! I'll let you know when I've read more...

Mark_W

Susie Q said...

Mark_W

Awesome, and yes, please do let me know ;)

Susie